@tony-sharkey_315623324008588 found an old install file and went back to v7.2.2.33 and everything worked instantly

I 'upgraded' to 8.14.2
Wish i hadn't
Says 'No device found' When I try to add a camera by clicking on the + next to device the camerars are already in the list and if i try to add it i get "Error: Failed to add device, this device already exists"